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	<title>Comments on: Open Challenge to Aeria&#8217;s GM Team</title>
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	<description>光の神ルーの魔剣。 手に入れた者に､大いなる福音をもたらすと言われている。</description>
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		<title>By: 守護霊母Finella</title>
		<link>http://finella.nemissa.info/2009/07/02/open-challange-to-aerias-gm-team/comment-page-1/#comment-3165</link>
		<dc:creator>守護霊母Finella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ImagineClient.exe doesn&#039;t check for the integrity of any files, including itself.

Cave/Aeria&#039;s server only check that ImagineClient.exe sent the correct version information to them.

That&#039;s the extend of all the security checks employed in Imagine.

The only time when the integrity of any file is checked is during the patch process, something that you can ALWAYS skip.

tl;dr: Aeria/Cave has no way of telling whether anything is changed.

Again, the reason why there aren&#039;t things like speed hacks is because pretty much everything is handled server-side.

You can send garbage data to the server but they won&#039;t accept it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ImagineClient.exe doesn&#8217;t check for the integrity of any files, including itself.</p>
<p>Cave/Aeria&#8217;s server only check that ImagineClient.exe sent the correct version information to them.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the extend of all the security checks employed in Imagine.</p>
<p>The only time when the integrity of any file is checked is during the patch process, something that you can ALWAYS skip.</p>
<p>tl;dr: Aeria/Cave has no way of telling whether anything is changed.</p>
<p>Again, the reason why there aren&#8217;t things like speed hacks is because pretty much everything is handled server-side.</p>
<p>You can send garbage data to the server but they won&#8217;t accept it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://finella.nemissa.info/2009/07/02/open-challange-to-aerias-gm-team/comment-page-1/#comment-3164</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Double posties~
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Also, I have worked at several companies in this industry, and I have played quite a few MMORPGs in my time as well, and I can think of many companies that disallow players from changing core game files. Any company that doesn’t is exposing itself to serious legal issues.
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Changing core game files? Isnt all calculations like drops and things are done server side? And I really dont wanna know what he actually meant by &quot;I have worked at several companies in this industry&quot; because judging by his statement on game client, he really sucks on this industry if a bored fansubber can challenge him openly this easy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Double posties~<br />
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Also, I have worked at several companies in this industry, and I have played quite a few MMORPGs in my time as well, and I can think of many companies that disallow players from changing core game files. Any company that doesn’t is exposing itself to serious legal issues.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Changing core game files? Isnt all calculations like drops and things are done server side? And I really dont wanna know what he actually meant by &#8220;I have worked at several companies in this industry&#8221; because judging by his statement on game client, he really sucks on this industry if a bored fansubber can challenge him openly this easy&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://finella.nemissa.info/2009/07/02/open-challange-to-aerias-gm-team/comment-page-1/#comment-3163</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fifi, look:
http://forums.aeriagames.com/viewtopic.php?t=455668&amp;start=10

GMXandamere farted this from his mouth:
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It&#039;s not about giving an advantage for doing this particular alteration. It&#039;s a couple of factors: first, the legal ramifications of allowing players to change the developer&#039;s intellectual property at will, and second, once you start loosening filters to ignore changing certain types of files, you open the game up to all kinds of exploitation.

Also, I have worked at several companies in this industry, and I have played quite a few MMORPGs in my time as well, and I can think of many companies that disallow players from changing core game files. Any company that doesn&#039;t is exposing itself to serious legal issues.
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OH NOES, fifi, look at the legal ramimimimifications! You&#039;re in serious caca! You&#039;re going to end up in the birdhouse!

You&#039;re loosening the moral filters and will exploit/hack the whole server by modifying the game folder files! Sighhhhh, RIGHT~~~~~

The fact that Shiki_Tohno and GMXandamere&#039;s statement on what is called &quot;hacking/breaking ToS&quot; is actually contradicting Aeria&#039;s own GS Kuenaimaku as well. 

More funnies, Shiki_Tohno claimed the client detect changes in files and send data to squeal on the hacker. 
As far as I can remember, I myself changed the battle music file myself with other music files few weeks ago. I changed it back to generic today for updating purpose, then I changed it back again. And? Yes, I can still play, no banning whatoever which means CAVE&#039;s client doesnt send that kind of data.

Then, dear guys, what does this mean?? Since I&#039;m not good at megaten coding tech craps then let&#039;s ask the one who is.

yoohooo Finella, an honest question from a computer programming illiterate (^-^

Suppose Shiki_Tohno/GMXanax words are actually true, does this means Aeria can modify the game client exe? IF they have such programming privilege from CAVE, should they be able to fix the Nightmare Frost fiasco ASAP? Didn&#039;t they claimed CAVE controls their game patches? SO, IF Aeria&#039;s client can send datas that means Aeria is breaking the law by modifying the game client, right? I can see their pattern of contradicting themselves here....

Anyway, almost 24 hours, they should be able to ban Fifi if Shiki_Tohno/GMXandamere&#039;s words were right. Ohohohoho~~~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fifi, look:<br />
<a href="http://forums.aeriagames.com/viewtopic.php?t=455668&amp;start=10">http://forums.aeriagames.com/viewtopic.php?t=455668&amp;start=10</a></p>
<p>GMXandamere farted this from his mouth:<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
It&#8217;s not about giving an advantage for doing this particular alteration. It&#8217;s a couple of factors: first, the legal ramifications of allowing players to change the developer&#8217;s intellectual property at will, and second, once you start loosening filters to ignore changing certain types of files, you open the game up to all kinds of exploitation.</p>
<p>Also, I have worked at several companies in this industry, and I have played quite a few MMORPGs in my time as well, and I can think of many companies that disallow players from changing core game files. Any company that doesn&#8217;t is exposing itself to serious legal issues.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
OH NOES, fifi, look at the legal ramimimimifications! You&#8217;re in serious caca! You&#8217;re going to end up in the birdhouse!</p>
<p>You&#8217;re loosening the moral filters and will exploit/hack the whole server by modifying the game folder files! Sighhhhh, RIGHT~~~~~</p>
<p>The fact that Shiki_Tohno and GMXandamere&#8217;s statement on what is called &#8220;hacking/breaking ToS&#8221; is actually contradicting Aeria&#8217;s own GS Kuenaimaku as well. </p>
<p>More funnies, Shiki_Tohno claimed the client detect changes in files and send data to squeal on the hacker.<br />
As far as I can remember, I myself changed the battle music file myself with other music files few weeks ago. I changed it back to generic today for updating purpose, then I changed it back again. And? Yes, I can still play, no banning whatoever which means CAVE&#8217;s client doesnt send that kind of data.</p>
<p>Then, dear guys, what does this mean?? Since I&#8217;m not good at megaten coding tech craps then let&#8217;s ask the one who is.</p>
<p>yoohooo Finella, an honest question from a computer programming illiterate (^-^</p>
<p>Suppose Shiki_Tohno/GMXanax words are actually true, does this means Aeria can modify the game client exe? IF they have such programming privilege from CAVE, should they be able to fix the Nightmare Frost fiasco ASAP? Didn&#8217;t they claimed CAVE controls their game patches? SO, IF Aeria&#8217;s client can send datas that means Aeria is breaking the law by modifying the game client, right? I can see their pattern of contradicting themselves here&#8230;.</p>
<p>Anyway, almost 24 hours, they should be able to ban Fifi if Shiki_Tohno/GMXandamere&#8217;s words were right. Ohohohoho~~~</p>
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		<title>By: Nox</title>
		<link>http://finella.nemissa.info/2009/07/02/open-challange-to-aerias-gm-team/comment-page-1/#comment-3162</link>
		<dc:creator>Nox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woah, nice
I would to get on the Alice bandwagon only I could figured out how :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah, nice<br />
I would to get on the Alice bandwagon only I could figured out how :p</p>
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		<title>By: 守護霊母Finella</title>
		<link>http://finella.nemissa.info/2009/07/02/open-challange-to-aerias-gm-team/comment-page-1/#comment-3156</link>
		<dc:creator>守護霊母Finella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Account still alive and kicking.</description>
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